Justin Wolfers On The Poison Pill In Trump's Economy

Molly Jong-Fast and economist Justin Wolfers use Met Gala banter as a springboard into a sober discussion of the economy, arguing that the latest jobs report looks weaker in isolation but more stable when viewed alongside a flattening unemployment rate and slower population growth from reduced immigration. Wolfers says he’s “holding his breath” because headline data can be noisy and the broader environment—war, trade conflict, and political instability—can quickly overwhelm otherwise decent indicators, even as he insists official statistics like BLS unemployment figures remain trustworthy despite a fractured information ecosystem. They then dissect claims about the “cost of the war,” with Wolfers explaining that figures like $25 billion capture only narrow, upfront military expenses while the true economic burden shows up in much larger, harder-to-measure channels such as inflation, delayed Fed rate cuts, lower output and jobs from heightened geopolitical risk, stock market declines, and higher long-term defense spending—costs that can reach hundreds of billions or even trillions. He adds a personal dimension, describing the psychological and moral damage of normalized threats and coarsened rhetoric, and closes by recommending that people looking for real-time signals about escalating conflict focus less on official spin and more on market-based indicators like oil futures. Subscribe to Fast Politics and listen 4x a week for interviews just like this on your favorite podcast app: https://episodes.fm/1645614328